it's a little bit like gerry ford succeeding richard nixon. there was a sense of grandeur and -- he comes and lives in a simple apartment, takes a bus where people can come up and talk to him. to me it's encouraging as a catholic. my church is hurting from arrogance. it's indifference to the suffering of children that were abused and the inclination of the leadership to protect the institution rather than the children. and i just, i'm encouraged. >> so when your institutioned under threat, you feel you have a lot of hostility, you feel things are slipping away you've got internal problems, there's a tendency to turn inward and focus on yourself. one of the things he said, he hasn't really seed that much. one of the really nice things he said he would prefer a church that goes out and have accidents in the street than to be self referential and sick. that's exactly the right attitude. when your institution is under assault, you're feeling the weight is on it -- like the republican party don't turn inward go outward and i think his instincts are